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Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Some features I am missing

start resume button and function you could reference with a shortcut
because as of now if you stop to read out loud and start it again it will start from the very beginning
instead of where you stopped it
this is about read out loud from selection which is the only one I think

by the way is there a way to make it so that the headers and footers are not read out loud even if you select them or maybe someone can just let me know of an easy way to delete the headers and footers of a PDF document without having to delete it manually on every page

likewise it would be amazing to have a function you could reference with the shortcut or button for increasing and decreasing the read out loud text to speech speed

also is there a way to make the text to speech pause when encountering specific elements like pausing for a specific amount of time where there is an enter or dash or, etc. So a custom pause length
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello MedBooster,

I believe we do have a ticket in our system for adding controls for the read out loud feature, but if not - I will make a new one.


is there a way to make it so that the headers and footers are not read out loud
Headers and footers exist as separate objects/areas of the page in e.g. a MS Word document, but the PDF specification does not distinguish between 'main' content, and the content nearer the edges of the page. It is treated equally. We do have a feature request for Header and Footer detection, but that is to be used e.g. when converting files. In your case you can try to e.g. use the redaction tool to quickly remove all headers and footers on all pages:
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to have a function for increasing and decreasing the read out loud text to speech speed
We use the windows read out loud functionality - so the reading speed you will need to control through the windows settings.


also is there a way to make the text to speech pause when encountering specific elements
Same as above - the engine is the one Windows provides, so no way for us to teach it to "pause" at specific symbols.

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It seems you have added all controls that I asked about, so thank you for that :)


Is there a way to quick switch or add a quick switch drop-down menu for the audio reading voice? Or do you need to go into the settings/preferences to change that?

I am asking about this because different languages use different speech engines, or do you only support English at the moment?
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello, MedBooster

The language can only be selected from the preferences at this time. I am unsure about the case with regards to speech engine in use, but can confirm that, much like our text translations, our offices are essentially only native English and Ukrainian speakers, so we cannot really test and properly verify other languages.
I expect that as we simply use the installed windows voices for our read out loud feature, we likely inherit anything that comes with that, including pacing for emphasizing letters, and such tied to that voice pack, whether or not that is a whole other engine I cannot say.

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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:31 pm Hello, MedBooster

The language can only be selected from the preferences at this time. I am unsure about the case with regards to speech engine in use, but can confirm that, much like our text translations, our offices are essentially only native English and Ukrainian speakers, so we cannot really test and properly verify other languages.
I expect that as we simply use the installed windows voices for our read out loud feature, we likely inherit anything that comes with that, including pacing for emphasizing letters, and such tied to that voice pack, whether or not that is a whole other engine I cannot say.

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Soooo.... will you put in a request for a drop down menu to choose the read-out language? A drop-down box, like this custom zoom box for example:


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I am sure many would appreciate such a feature.


edit: I made a new thread to separate this from my previous requests which seem to have been implemented.
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello, MedBooster

Thank you for opening the other thread, I have posted a reply there, and am sorry to say that it was not as positive a response from the dev team as we hoped.

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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:48 pm Hello, MedBooster

Thank you for opening the other thread, I have posted a reply there, and am sorry to say that it was not as positive a response from the dev team as we hoped.

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About this, being able to access the speech settings with a button under the View tab was just as great of a solution
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Anyways... before we set this thread to "solved"
I wanted to say that "start reading" stops reading at the end of the selected text!
The way I see it this should only happen when you choose "read selected text"... otherwise it should continue reading till the end of the document. Do you agree?
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You see, the issue is that if you click on "read to end of document", it starts at the top of the page, which you don't always want it to do.. Maybe this could be overridden if text is selected? Then it could start from the first word of the selected text – and read to the end of the document?
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I also wanted to set the keyboardshortcut Shift+ Left / Right for Back and Forward control of TTS... but it still changes the page for some reason... Doesn't Shift count as a modifier key like Ctrl?

This is with no text selected of course
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allllllso, it would be cool if you were able to pin some favourite voices to the top of the drop-down menu.. as you can see I have a lot of them..
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However... just in case anyone prefers the main play/pause green button to only play selected text...the buttons like read only these page, read to end and read selected text should be toggle-able. Meaning you can turn them on and off. Right?
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Also, the TTS stops when I highlight something, could you please make it continue reading despite you making changes in the document? I guess I might have to just make a copy of the document to have in another tab while I am working on it if I want it to read out the text loud at the same time.

edit: and when I press play again, it starts from the top of the page again instead of where it stops :(( (when highlighting something for example)
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello, MedBooster

The TTS functionality and controls are still in development and will be seeing revisions as time goes on. I have passed this feedback tot he Dev team for consideration. Thank you!

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MedBooster wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:20 am Also, the TTS stops when I highlight something, could you please make it continue reading despite you making changes in the document? I guess I might have to just make a copy of the document to have in another tab while I am working on it if I want it to read out the text loud at the same time.

edit: and when I press play again, it starts from the top of the page again instead of where it stops :(( (when highlighting something for example)
Still waiting eagerly to be able to annotate and comment while listening to TTS
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Hello, MedBooster

Indeed, we have alot to work on, and not enough devs to go around, so different tasks are being prioritized. Hopefully we can see this in time.

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Could you enable a number showing the exact speed multiplier on the speed bar?
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Hello MedBooster,

I will pass that suggestion to the devs working on the interface for consideration!

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I would also suggest adding a next/previous button/keyboard shortcut function

It would be useful for skipping headings and banners...
by the way, does the next/previous function only skip the current sentence? Is there no function to skip paragraphs from being read out loud?
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello MedBooster,

Thanks for the update!
I've just asked the same colleague to whom I forwarded the topic initially on 12 Feb to take another look and consider your further suggestions.

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Just downloaded the new version (285) and I am sad to see that adding a comment still stops the read out loud tool... is there a reason for it at all? It seems to be more of a bug to me.
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello, MedBooster

Read out loud is itself a tool, using other tools while it is running will "disable" the other tool in use. I will pass this suggestion along and see if we can implement a different handling for this scenario, since the base content is being read, and commenting will not directly "change" that content, but I cannot make any promises.

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TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:08 pm Hello, MedBooster

Read out loud is itself a tool, using other tools while it is running will "disable" the other tool in use. I will pass this suggestion along and see if we can implement a different handling for this scenario, since the base content is being read, and commenting will not directly "change" that content, but I cannot make any promises.

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Yes obviously it would make sense for it to stop if you change base content (as that is what it reads from)
However, it does not make sense to me that commenting would stop the text-to-speech... as comments seem to not be something the read out loud tool can read out loud
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Hello, MedBooster

So it turns out, this was something that the Dev team thought of, and in our search for a solution, we found an actual bug! XD
The solution to this *Should* have been that you uncheck the option to read comments as well, since having that enabled would cause exactly the issue you just described. At the moment however, that option seems to be broken.

So, keep an eye out for build 386, which will fix that, after which point, you will be able to uncheck these options, and this will work as you are expecting:
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The TTS stopping when you comment has finally been fixed, so thanks for that. Productivity ↑↑↑ = through the roof.


Hoowever, let's not close the thread yet, as I have another suggestion.

The read out selection button/function works well and it makes sense that it stops,
but I would suggest that starting a new read out loud process should start from the first word that you have selected with the select text tool – to the very end of the document, or until you stop it. Sometimes I want to start in the middle and have it go as long as it gets (to the end), without having to select the middle and then select all the 20 remaining pages.

Wouldn't that make more sense? As if you would want the tool to start reading at the very top you would just unselect the text you might have selected.

This would at least make more sense to me personally, IDK about the rest of you.
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Hello MedBooster,

Glad to hear you like the changes so far and I will pass your suggestion for "Read from selection to the end of the document" as a change to the TTS tool to our devs for consideration!

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Still waiting for TTS starting at the top of the page when you choose "read to end", it starts at the text you have selected with your cursor, unless you don't have any text selected.


New idea:
instead of read selection, maybe read a portion of all pages would be useful? That way you could stop it from reading the bottom credits or page numbers...

Or maybe there already is an option I've missed that allows you to disable those parts of the page being read out loud.
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Hello, MedBooster

If you simply click the "Start reading" button on the View tab without any selection, Read out loud will now begin at the top of the currently active page.

Unfortunately there is no way to skip headers/footers and other "cliffnote" type items intelligently, that will be a much longer project to implement.

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TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:04 pm Hello, MedBooster

If you simply click the "Start reading" button on the View tab without any selection, Read out loud will now begin at the top of the currently active page.

Unfortunately there is no way to skip headers/footers and other "cliffnote" type items intelligently, that will be a much longer project to implement.

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So have my suggestions been rejected? Stefan said he would pass on my suggestion, but I haven't gotten a response yet.
1) make read to end start at the first word of the selected text and work itself to the end?
(I see now that a workaround would be to do select the first word and press ctrl+shift+end and then choose "Read Selection")

2) Selecting a specific portion of the page manually, e.g. through some pop-up menu, where you would be able to choose what parts of the page are excluded. Kind of like a crop effect, where you would draw a rectangle over the part that should be read out loud (same for every page)
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Re: Suggestions for the read out loud tool

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Hello, MedBooster

Not every request gets a reply, but at this time I can say that the suggested changes are not present in my current nightly test build. I haven't seen any indication of rejection on these items, but we have been very busy the past few months, so there is a large backlog to work through before we can get around to items like this.

My suggestion above was mere indicating that the "start reading" button does begin on the current page, not on page 1, as there seemed to be a misunderstanding there.

As for item #2, Much like the first request, I have not seen confirmation in either direction of it, but "exclusion" functions are notoriously difficult to implement, so it is rather unlikely to see anything resembling a swift implementation, if it is completed.

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Again please consider making the read to end tool start reading the first word of text selected with the "select text"-tool, instead of starting at the top of the page

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still no way to disable reading headers and footers, except redacting them? :)
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Hello, MedBooster

I cannot say much in regards to changing the read out loud functions at this time, but it is still an area we are looking at improvements. However, it is somewhat on the backburner while we work on an improved "visual order" system for content/text ordering. Read Out loud is directly impacted by the content order at the moment, and so this new system while not a change to the Read out Loud system, will cause notable improvements.

As for headers/footers, that is correct, there is still no way to exclude them, and unfortunately citing the same complexity as before, I cannot say it is something that will be coming anytime soon.

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TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:34 pm As for headers/footers, that is correct, there is still no way to exclude them, and unfortunately citing the same complexity as before, I cannot say it is something that will be coming anytime soon.
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As previously mentioned,
what if you were able to kinda choose what section of pages to be read out? (which I understand would be challenging to make if pages are of different sizes, but if all are A4... it could prove quite useful.
Do you see what I mean?
If there were a button you would press... that would allow you to drag and highlight ("crop") a section of the page, and for it to use the same setting on all other pages with the same size, or different sizes
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Hello, MedBooster

Yes, as we have previously discussed, that is something the Dev team is aware of demand for. While It is not something we will be able to offer in any short timeframe, it is something we are looking into ways of offering. Regardless it will not be a short term task to implement, so I was answering your current question of if there is a way to do it right now.

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