Scroll Up and Scroll Down - Bookmarks Don't Highlight Correctly: File Attached

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:44 am

Hi,

Seems I'm having the same problems?

If you scroll up and down in the document with the Bookmark pane open, you'll see the highlights light up out of sequence.

Toporan

Opticks Bookmarks.pdf

Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:13 pm

Hello pleetoporan,

Your bookmarks are a bit unusual. I presume the desired effect is so that when you click on it - you see the desired page half way through the screen, but e.g. on the below screenshot you can see that the "PROP. I. Theor. I." bookmark is actually pointing to the bottom of the previous page:

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That is likely why they seem to "light up" out of order!

Bookmarks if pointing to the correct pages, and if there aren't e.g. 304 bookmarks pointing to different locations on the same page should light up correctly in order.

Kind regards,
Stefan

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:54 am

Hi,

I use bookmark highlighting to keep my head on straight as I'm reading long abstract theoretical documents.

So that, if I scrolled into Newton's Proposition 1, Theorem 1, Experiment 1 - I'd know what it was I'm reading.

Since the works are all basically pages and pages of descriptive text, it's the true-to-location highlighting of the bookmarks that keeps me knowing what I'm looking at.

Any way to set the bookmark highlighting so that it accurately shows a user where he is relative to the text between any two bookmarks and the user's current location?

With the way it works now, you can be in one part of the work, and the highlighted bookmark will tell you you're in another.

P.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:37 am

Hello all,

I believe that the reason for the problem here is that the bookmarks probably have been created with the toolbar button and not with the key combination, as recently discussed here:
https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37811&p=156205&hilit=key+combination+toolbar+button#p156205

For this reason, pleetoporan's bookmarks do not point to the actual beginning of the corresponding text (as intended), but to the page section that was visible at the time the bookmark was created.

To fix such inaccurate bookmarks quickly, it would be useful if the "Set Destination" button would change the coordinates of the bookmark to the coordinates of the currently selected text in the document (if text is selected).

At the moment, this is not the case. Instead, the "Set Destination" button sets the bookmark's coordinates to the top left of the currently visible document section, even if text is selected when pressing the button:

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Best regards
David.P

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:37 pm

Hi,

No toolbar button used.

All bookmarks were created using

CTRL+SHIFT+B

Text selected. Bookmark applied. Selected text populated in the bookmark name and accepted.

P.

Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:57 pm

Hello pleetoporan,

Thanks - when you use Ctrl + Shift + B and do not have text selected - the bookmark would be created for the current view.
If you are in "Continuous Page View" mode - and the page above is taking up more than 50% of the page - the bookmark will actually be set to point to the bottom of that page, even if you wanted if to point to the start of the next one. This then causes your bookmark highlights to misbehave - as they are ordered not in the way you intended them to.
The solution I can suggest is to switch to "Single Page" non continuous viewing mode while making those bookmarks so that you can ensure you are setting them to point to the correct page, and then you can still revert back to continuous viewing for normal reading.

Kind regards,
Stefan

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:13 pm

Hello all,

Maybe this can be recorded as a feature request then, in order to easily fix existing bookmarks:

David.P wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:37 amTo fix such inaccurate bookmarks quickly, it would be useful if the "Set Destination" button would change the coordinates of the bookmark to the coordinates of the currently selected text in the document (if text is selected).

Best regards
David.P

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:54 pm

OK there is something peculiar with bookmarks creation.

I'll have to correct/concretize this:
https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37811&p=156205&hilit=key+combination+toolbar+button#p156205

Strangely enough, in my customized version of PDF-XChange Editor build 359, I now always seem to get the exact coordinates of the selected text in the bookmark, both when using the keyboard shortcut CTRL+B (my custom keyboard shortcut) and when using the "New Bookmark" button, as long as I have selected some text in the document beforehand.

If however I reset all settings of PDF-XChange Editor to factory default, then the coordinates of the visible document section are recorded in any new bookmark, in both above cases. So there must be a setting somewhere that allows to change the "New Bookmark" behavior.

To the left is my customized copy PDF-XChange editor, and to the right is PDF-XChange Editor with default settings:

The only possibly relevant difference I can see in this bookmarks settings menu is with "Use Inherited Zoom". If this is changed however, the behavior (with otherwise default settings) remains the same: any new bookmark still references the page and not the selected text.

Does this change the zoom/coordinates settings of new bookmarks? I wouldn't think so:

Post by **Paul - PDF-XChange** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:20 pm

Hi David,

I am only seeing the default behaviour, it never uses the coordinates of selected text no matter what I do. I am keen to see your settings. Can you send us your settings file? I want to see if loading that changes the behaviour for me.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:22 pm

Sure will do Paul

Just a second...

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:31 pm

Ahaa...

I found that setting:

I believe that this setting should also be respected by the Set Destination button:

Maybe this can be recorded as a feature request then, in order to easily fix existing bookmarks:

David.P wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:37 amTo fix such inaccurate bookmarks quickly, it would be useful if the "Set Destination" button would change the coordinates of the bookmark to the coordinates of the currently selected text in the document (if text is selected).

Best regards
David.P

Post by **Paul - PDF-XChange** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:39 pm

Wow! I do get the same as you with these loaded. I am going to ask the team about this.

I have to say seeing how you have the Editor set up is a real eye opener as to how people actually USE the software. I would barely have recognized it as our without taking a really good look...

Thanks for that!

Regards the bookmark creation, hopefully I will have an answer for you later today.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:40 pm

See above for the answer Paul

Post by **Paul - PDF-XChange** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:47 pm

Dan is never going to let me live this one down...

Yes - I think you are right about that setting I should have known about...

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Paul - Tracker Supp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:39 pmI have to say seeing how you have the Editor set up is a real eye opener as to how people actually USE the software. I would barely have recognized it as our without taking a really good look...

Yeah! This is how I use the greatest PDF software in the world, 10 hours a day.

PDF-XChange Editor 2021-b.png

Keep up the awesome work
Best regards
David

Post by **Paul - PDF-XChange** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:07 pm

I love it - that settings file is a keeper if that's OK with you!

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:15 pm

Sure you do, Paul!

Just don't pass it on to (my) competitors on the market

Post by **Paul - PDF-XChange** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:17 pm

Deal. "Keep it secret. Keep it safe"

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:06 pm

Hi,

I can't figure out how to apply the solution.

P.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:28 pm

You should activate this setting:

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...and then recreate your bookmarks by first selecting some words at the beginning of the respective text the bookmark should point to, and then creating the respective bookmark.

Unfortunately, at the moment, it is not yet possible to correct your already existing bookmarks by simply selecting the bookmark and the destination text and then pressing the "Set Destination" button:

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Therefore, once more, a friendly reminder to the Tracker Team to register this as a feature request (or to just quickly fixing it:)
https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37840#:~:text=I%20believe%20that%20this,request%20then

Thanks!
David.P

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:00 pm

Hi,

Got it. Yep.

Thanks!

P.

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:41 pm

Tested.

About a third of the bookmarks take me to the PAGE, but not to the location.

So, though the HIGHLIGHTING when scrolling seems to be accurate now...the function of the bookmarks as bookmarks seems to have been broken.

Tried twice.

P.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:18 pm

Your bookmark's properties should like this:

If they do, they should take you to that target.

PHK · Post by **PHK** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:49 pm

David.P wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:59 pm...the greatest PDF software in the world...

Hear, hear!

PHK · Post by **PHK** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:03 am

Paul - Tracker Supp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:39 pm...

I have to say seeing how you have the Editor set up is a real eye opener as to how people actually USE the software. I would barely have recognized it as our without taking a really good look...

You might find user support for the notion of Tracker Software accumulating a library of voluntarily shared user settings files. That can only help to improve the application.

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:25 am

Hi David,

How can open the Destination Properties pane?

Also, I'm wondering if there's other option selections I may have on (or off) that are working against the correct focusing? For achieving the behavior I'm hoping for, other than

Use region with selected text as destination place for new bookmarks

what other bookmark switches / check boxes / options do you think I should have activated or deactivated?

Thanks,

P.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:08 pm

Hello pleetoporan,

This is how you get to the bookmark properties, starting by a right-click on the bookmark:

I can't think of any other settings that would influence the bookmark creation behavior right now, except maybe the "Use Inherited Zoom" setting already mentioned above (that is accessible via the bookmarks settings "gears" button right above the bookmarks):

For me however, it doesn't seem to make a difference whether I enable or disable this setting -- it seems to always use Inherited Zoom regardless (which is generally the preferable option most of the time).

Now that I look at it again, in fact the setting "Use Current Page" might also make a difference. I would try switching that to the other way as it is now, and then create some bookmarks and see if they work better.

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:56 pm

Hi David,

I had Use Inherited Zoom already selected. Use Current Page had not been selected.

After selecting Use Current Page and re-creating the bookmarks, all the bookmarks work as one would expect them to.

Scrolling up and down the highlights around bookmarks light up correctly. In fact, strictly - respecting BOTH the top edge and the bottom edge of the page.

And, clicking on the bookmark, one is taken to the very bleeding top edge of the page, with the selected text right at the top no matter the zoom level.

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So, it seems the solution is:

PAGE TEXT OPTIONS - Use region with selected text as destination place for new bookmarks - on

BOOKMARKS PANE SETTINGS' Inherited Zoom - on

Use Current Page - on

And, be sure all bookmarks are created by selecting the text via

ctrl+shift+b

Thank you for your diligent efforts. A big, useful fix for me. Thanks, again.

P.

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:16 pm

I'm glad pleetoporan, that this mostly fixed the issue for you.

Dear Tracker Team: summarizing, I have added the small feature request that has been identified in this thread, again below:

David.P wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:28 pm
[...] Unfortunately, at the moment, it is not yet possible to correct your already existing bookmarks by simply selecting the bookmark and the destination text and then pressing the "Set Destination" button:

Therefore, once more, a friendly reminder to the Tracker Team to register this as a feature request (or to just quickly fixing it:)
https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37840#:~:text=I%20believe%20that%20this,request%20then

Also, perhaps the behavior mentioned below by Pleetoporan can also be mitigated a bit on occasion, so that the bookmark target doesn't hit the very top of the window with no gap whatsoever, but with some space added between:

pleetoporan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:56 pmclicking on the bookmark, one is taken to the very bleeding top edge of the page, with the selected text right at the top no matter the zoom level.

Keep up the great work
Best regards
David

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:32 pm

Hello, David.P

Regarding the function to update bookmarks with selected text location, the following ticket was created:

RT#5888: FR: update bookmark target by text

Regarding the location created with text selection being excessively precise, this is something that our Dev team is aware of as an issue, and we are looking at updating to be a short distance higher than the selected text. I cannot say for certain when we will see that change, but hopefully it should be coming fairly soon.

Kind regards,

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:38 pm

Thank you, Daniel, for creating the ticket!
Best regards
David

Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:52 pm

pleetoporan · Post by **pleetoporan** » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:26 pm

Hi,

The solution here was an interworking of settings from BOTH of Page Text Options and Bookmark options.

I'm adding to this already closed question just to let others know that the features have all been COMBINED now within Bookmark Options.

Mentioning it for two reasons. They are now in a Sub Menu of the Bookmark Options > Create Options

Also, at least for me, in the newest version, somehow the choice

Use Selected Region as Destination

starts out deselected. That was the KEY thing to the solve, as far as I understood it.

As I was making bookmarks today, I noticed I wasn't arriving back at THE x,y of the bookmark.

A bit panicked, I went back to this question to see if I had missed anything.

ALMOST gave up hope as...the feature that WAS in Page Options...it's not there anymore!

But! It IS here. And, selected, it DOES work! Just reselect it from the new combined sub-menu, and you're all good.

all-in-one.jpg

Which I think means RT#5888 got done. So! Thanks for that - Super Devs!

Thanks!

Toporan

David.P · Post by **David.P** » Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:02 pm

Thanks for posting!
Awesome news.
Cheers David

Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:40 am