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End Run on Applying Bold: LONG File

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Hi,

So! I'm going through this long abstract file tying to get it past my wee perceptual powers. And, it aint easy! :P :D

To keep the screen as low-complication as possible, I'd like to be able to just bold text as I go through it.

Using this process:

Click Edit Content > Select Text > Click Formatting Tab (Or, "B" in toolbar that I've got.) > Click B

It's a few too many steps - and invoking edit content always jars the screen a bit - everything turns into boxes; the screen will bounce sometimes.; things shift on the screen a bit.

BUT...the KEY thing is the lines of text around the bolded element. For MOST PDFs that I work with, bolding the text throws the surrounding lines out of kilter.

So, for almost ALL PDFs, trying to add bold was just a no go, despite how much it would help.

As I noodled around this problem, one time I finally tried to add a STROKE to text.

That WORKED! No bumping the surrounding lines.

But, it's even more click-intensive:

Click Edit Content > Select Text > Click Formatting Tab > Choose Stroke Color > Choose Stroke Width

And, it's a real CONCENTRATION sink. Whatever wee insight I had to the thing I was trying to make bold pretty well gets scrambled away by the nature of the process, and the number of steps.

Is there any other way you can see that I could easily effect a "Bold" to selected text that would SKIP the "Edit Content"?

Any heavy users - really, this is a cri-de-coeur: have you found anything that can APPROXIMATE a bold effect that's really easy to apply?

Dear PDF-X team - is there anything you could see relative to Commenting Tools that I could rig as a single-click way?

I know I could just do a LIGHT Highlight.

Also, underlines are an option. But, for my peculiar learning style, there seems little better than bold.

I know I could convert to Word, but there's a TON of other tools that I need which are ONLY PDF-X. I'd get bold but...that'd be ALL I'd have.

The goal - a single-click bold effect in PDF-X.

If there's anything you all can see, or are using now - please share! :D

Sincerely,

SCH
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Re: End Run on Applying Bold: LONG File  SOLVED

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Teach a man to ask not what your country can do and he'll fish!

Did I get that right? :D

Ohhhhh, MERCY! SO...there I was, staring into the maw of a VERY old translated document and, as mentioned above...wishing I had good ol' simple bold to low-fi decorate it. The ideas are hard ENOUGH for my poor powers of perception!

Did I despair? You BET!
Did I consider another line of work? I DID!
BUT...then, I thought I'd give it ONE MORE try.

Seeing as how there's SO MUCH info here on the Forum, I did a search for

bold

And...

ANDDDDD... WHAT did I find but some muttonheaded poster named

shade-cabin-hammock (ME!)

had asked a PRETTY similar question about... SIX MONTHS ago! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?p=160816#p160816
Overlay.png
You can use the "Highlight" comment style to change text color if you change the blend mode to Overlay.
THAT"S the key! AND - if you use BLACK as the highlight color...the effect is nearly an EXACT bold outcome!

So, first - APOLOGIES from yours truly, here!!

BEST news is...it CAN be done!

Fellow PDF-Xers and Good Forum Leaders - please if there's any combination of dials you can thing of which could FURTHER bump up the saturation level you see there even a bit, I'd feel SO GRATEFUL.

Now! I have no more excuse for the NINE chapters I have left of this here old book what that I've got to read.

Thanks for all the good advice. HUGE props to @Arnold for posting the solve!

Sincerely,

SCH
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Re: End Run on Applying Bold: LONG File

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Hi All,

So! I noticed that my wee font for the book - Perpetua - while it IS good to read in and has a nice sort of look to it for ancient things...adding the Blend Mode OVERLY there darkened it only a HINT really, relative to the other text.

I was able to identify Arnold's font there as Open Sans.
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Using THAT font - the Blend Mode Overly does a PRETTY nice job of adding enough contrast to be a workable bold.

However, I'm an old grey man with poor eyesight! Posting up the contrast here of using the blend mode to approximate the "Bold" effect for you all to see.

Please PDF-Xers and Good PDF-X admins if you can see ANY way to enrich the effect - any additional filters or switches, dials that can be turned up or even fonts that you've got experience with along the same lines...it would be a HUGE help to me. The image embedded shows up the contrast nicely. On the PDF page it's less easy to see.
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lewis-carrol-1925-edition.pdf
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Maybe Color Burn will work for you with Perpetua

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@Arnold ! ! ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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B O O M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That does the TRICK! Ah! Can't thank you enough for taking the time to help. I had all but resigned myself to the dreaded underline - which had its own effect, especially at 1.5 width, B U T... NOTHING like what bold does in terms of keeping the reader WITH the text as the ideas are percolating along.

T H A N K Y O U, Arnold! ! ! !

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SCH
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Re: End Run on Applying Bold: LONG File

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There seems to be one drawback. The Overlay option displays fine in any other program I open the pdf with. Here I have Firefox, Opera and Abbyy Pdf Transformer besides PDFX.

That is not the case with the Color Burn option. The pdf displays fine in PDFX and Firefox, but not in Opera or Abbyy PDF Transformer. With Opera and Transformer the text is blacked out as though it had been redacted.

I discovered one good thing on my Windows 7 laptop. I have 4 Perpetua fonts - Regular, Italic, Bold & Bold Italic. Do you have any computers running Windows 7?

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Re: End Run on Applying Bold: LONG File

Post by Stefan - PDF-XChange »

Hello Arnold,

Some PDF software might indeed not work with some blend modes correctly but we are still creating that as per the PDF specification.
The issue here is that SCH wants to minimize the number of clicks. If they change the font metric to the proper Bold - it works - but is too many clicks for their needs. Also - the actual Bold is with different sizes for the letters - so it will change the appearance of the text and might need reflowing the paragraph - which will result in the "jumping" of text they describe. So while Blend mode is probably not handled perfectly by all PDF readers out there - if SCH is only using this for their own needs in our Editor - it should be sufficient for their document review.

Kind regards,
Stefan
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Hi Arnold & Stefan,

Arnold! Sounds like the Color Burn option works but it can look less than perfect in Opera or with Abbyy transformer, while the Overlay renders faithfully throughout. Thank you for letting me know. It's really sound advice. When I see how often you're willing to help other users and your detailed explanations I feel impressed, and grateful. Thank you, Arnold!

Stefan! Ah! That's it! Guilty as charged. :D :D You're right in terms of use case, and clicks. Thank you kindly for taking the time to take a look at even a "solved" question! If anthing else could have been added only you could have done it. Totally makes sense in terms of maintaining Fidelity to the PDF standard.

One idea that occurred to me while I was looking at the tools, was that the Overlay probably would have worked if there was an option for greater than 100%? In my limited experience with software development in most cases there can be an over 100% fairly easily implemented. Do you think that would be an option for the commenting tools? I mean, already there's, in the outline commenting, a cloudy and extra cloudy outline.

What do you think?

Thanks again, to you both! This workaround is really going to help a lot with the things that I'm doing.

Sincerely,

SCH
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Hello shade-cabin-hammock,

I am afraid that for the time being I do not have any other ideas.

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Hi Stefan

Yep, yep! Got it. MANY thanks. : )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))!

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:)