Does anyone know how to stop users removing sensitivity labels (Microsoft Purview) by using Print to PDF?
Users can remove encryption and it doesn't track as an activity in Purview to know their doing it. would be good to block printing to PDF altogether if there's a way to do it
Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hello Tai-D,
Welcome to our forums!
I am afraid that the "printing" process creates a new file, and the original labels are lost in such a printing.
So the only way I can think of is if you can make those file non printable so that users can not create the unprotected copies.
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Stefan
Welcome to our forums!
I am afraid that the "printing" process creates a new file, and the original labels are lost in such a printing.
So the only way I can think of is if you can make those file non printable so that users can not create the unprotected copies.
Kind regards,
Stefan
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hi Stefan, thanks for the advice.
How do you suggest the documents be made unprintable? I tried creating a DLP policy to block print to pdf but it looks like it only works in Microsoft not PDF Xchange.
How do you suggest the documents be made unprintable? I tried creating a DLP policy to block print to pdf but it looks like it only works in Microsoft not PDF Xchange.
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hello Tai-D,
I am not sure how Purview Sensitivity Labels work, but when creating a PDF file you can place restrictions on the PDF itself and e.g. prevent printing of the file:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/knowledgeba ... -be-edited
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Stefan
I am not sure how Purview Sensitivity Labels work, but when creating a PDF file you can place restrictions on the PDF itself and e.g. prevent printing of the file:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/knowledgeba ... -be-edited
Kind regards,
Stefan
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
ah, ok. Yeah I don't think it's feasible in a large organization to get every user to manually remove the ability to print. Plus PDFXchange already removed the label from the file when it was pdf'd, so removing ability to print on the pdf won't be effective.
We use Purview sensitivity labels as I'm sure a lot of companies do, but PDFXchange removes the label when printing to PDF. And even if user reapplies the label in Purview, they have to also remove the ability to print the file in order to stop users from removing the label/security protections??
Is this something PDFXchange is looking into?
Appreciate any info or guidance as would be good to stay with PDFXchange if we can.
We use Purview sensitivity labels as I'm sure a lot of companies do, but PDFXchange removes the label when printing to PDF. And even if user reapplies the label in Purview, they have to also remove the ability to print the file in order to stop users from removing the label/security protections??
Is this something PDFXchange is looking into?
Appreciate any info or guidance as would be good to stay with PDFXchange if we can.
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hello Tai-D,
This is not really an "issue" or "oversight" but rather how the PDF file format works, and when you "Print" a document - you are creating a new copy. So there's no way for the printer to know that the source document has any security, or for the printing application to know if the printer it is outputting to is a hardware device that will generate pieces of paper with the content, or a virtual printer that will create a new PDF.
So if you want to prevent copying of that info - you will have to prevent the original file from being printable.
If it can be printed (even to paper only) - the paper can then be scanned back into a new PDF file, OCRed - and that will still be an unprotected PDF copy. So the only way to prevent information copying is to control it at the source and prevent the file from being printable at all. Sorry that I can not offer any other solution.
Kind regards,
Stefan
This is not really an "issue" or "oversight" but rather how the PDF file format works, and when you "Print" a document - you are creating a new copy. So there's no way for the printer to know that the source document has any security, or for the printing application to know if the printer it is outputting to is a hardware device that will generate pieces of paper with the content, or a virtual printer that will create a new PDF.
So if you want to prevent copying of that info - you will have to prevent the original file from being printable.
If it can be printed (even to paper only) - the paper can then be scanned back into a new PDF file, OCRed - and that will still be an unprotected PDF copy. So the only way to prevent information copying is to control it at the source and prevent the file from being printable at all. Sorry that I can not offer any other solution.
Kind regards,
Stefan
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
I get what you're saying, yes someone can create a printed hard copy.
But it is possible to prevent printing to PDF through a DLP policy, I've tested this with other PDF tools Microsoft and Adobe. Microsoft recognize that this is an issue so they've closed the gap by forcing users to Export to PDF and therefore retain the protections. It just doesn't work with PDF Xchange.
I've asked Microsoft but they've said its a known issue with PDF Xchange and up to third party to address. Is this something PDF Xchange will look into or if using Purview sensitivity labels we need to use a compatible PDF product?
But it is possible to prevent printing to PDF through a DLP policy, I've tested this with other PDF tools Microsoft and Adobe. Microsoft recognize that this is an issue so they've closed the gap by forcing users to Export to PDF and therefore retain the protections. It just doesn't work with PDF Xchange.
I've asked Microsoft but they've said its a known issue with PDF Xchange and up to third party to address. Is this something PDF Xchange will look into or if using Purview sensitivity labels we need to use a compatible PDF product?
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hello Tai-D,
I've just asked our devs to also take a look at this forum topic and advise! As soon as I have their feedback I will let you know.
Kind regards,
Stefan
I've just asked our devs to also take a look at this forum topic and advise! As soon as I have their feedback I will let you know.
Kind regards,
Stefan
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hello,
We have just heard back from the Dev team on this, here is what they had to say:
We have just heard back from the Dev team on this, here is what they had to say:
Kind regards,Ivan wrote:Looks like they mix Purview Labels and Purview DLP. They have Labels applied to office documents, and when they print to a PDF-XChange PDF file, it will not have these labels applied, because the printer knows nothing about the labels and the printing application does not provide such information.
Please verify if they do what I think.
And what they expect to achieve - print from office to PDF using PDF-XChange and get a PDF with a Purview label from the original office document, or just prevent PDF creation at all, based on Purview DLP settings?
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Re: Microsoft Purview Sensitivity Labels removed when printing
Hi Daniel, thanks for the response.
Yes I am referring to DLP policy when talking about trying to block the ability to Print to PDF. This is the only option i can think of to try and retain the sensitivity label applied on the original Office document.
It would be preferable to not have to block 'print to PDF' but 'export to pdf' seems to be the only way to retain the label and it's protections.
Unfortunately the DLP policy to block 'print to PDF' does not work with PDF Xchange editor.
thanks
Tai
Yes I am referring to DLP policy when talking about trying to block the ability to Print to PDF. This is the only option i can think of to try and retain the sensitivity label applied on the original Office document.
It would be preferable to not have to block 'print to PDF' but 'export to pdf' seems to be the only way to retain the label and it's protections.
Unfortunately the DLP policy to block 'print to PDF' does not work with PDF Xchange editor.
thanks
Tai