RT#7649: FR: left corner page dimension tooltip visibility

[rakunavi]

Hello all,

In PDF-XChange Editor, moving the mouse cursor or stylus pointer to the bottom-left corner of the Page View displays the document dimensions as a tooltip. This is distracting when drawing comments. Is there any way to turn it off?

Unlike Adobe Acrobat, the document dimensions are always displayed in the Document Options Toolbar, so there is no need to display them as a tooltip as well.

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Best regards,
rakunavi

- PDF-XChange Editor PRO Version: 10.7.3 build 401
- OS Version: Windows 11 Pro / Home 24H2 Build 26100.6584
- PC Model: GMKtec Nucbox M7 Pro with HUION Kamvas Pro 19 / Lenovo IdeaPad C340-15IWL

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

I do feel a need to ask... how often are you adding such fine notes to the bottom left corner of the last page in a document specifically, where you could not simply scroll a bit further down, so you are not working directly in the corner?

I understand the content of this report, but this seems quite a niche situation. Once that has workarounds which which are simpler than searching for yet another checkbox for a feature that many people may not even known exists.

If you cannot simply scroll further down because you are on the last page, you could still put the desired content on the second to last page, and use the duplicate tool to get it into position on the last page.

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello Daniel, thank you for your reply.

Are you misunderstanding something? Even if you're not on the last page—that is, even if you're viewing partway through multiple pages—and even if you're not specifically in the bottom-left corner of the page—that is, even if you're zoomed in on the center of the page—simply moving your mouse cursor to the bottom-left corner of the Page View will display the document dimensions tooltip.

If you switch to full-screen mode, this tooltip won't appear, but that's not really a solution, is it?

I don't understand what exactly you don't understand.

Best regards,
rakunavi

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

No I understood all of that, my suggestion was to simply, scroll down a bit further, so that the area you want to work in, is not stuck at the bottom left corner of the viewing area, but, midway up. Like so:

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Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello Daniel, thank you for your reply.

Although you weren't specifically mentioned, I understand that the phrase “the bottom left corner of the last page” was your mistake.

I believe I fully understand your proposal. You're suggesting that temporarily shifting the display area to avoid overlapping with the tooltip should suffice, correct? Of course, I understand that this could be a workaround. However, this approach likely assumes that “users have no resistance to freely changing the zoom level or display area under any circumstances.”

For example, can you imagine a situation where you want to use Fit Page and non-continuous Page View to fit the page into the display area, keeping the zoom level fixed and the display area unchanged? For instance, imagine filling a page with handwritten text. When your pen happens to reach a specific spot in the lower-left corner of the Page View, the tooltip gets in the way. In that case, you're asking to deliberately change the display mode or position just to draw a line there, then revert everything back afterward. Doesn't that seem incredibly cumbersome?

Best regards,
rakunavi

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

I will admit that I personally do not see the issue, however, I can count the number of times in the past 20 years that I have needed to manually make changes this deep into the page margins on one hand... so I may not be the best case study/example, hence my question of how often this really comes up for you.

Regardless of my own view on it, as always, this was forwarded to the dev team for review. I just realized I neglected to mention that in my initial post, so I do apologize for that. We will need to wait for their response to see if anything will be done here.

[update]
A low priority FR was created for this. If we see more interest, it may be escalated, but for now I cannot promise a timeline for changes.
RT#7649: FR: left corner page dimension tooltip visibility

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Thank you, Daniel, for creating the ticket!

If you find it difficult to understand this issue, it's likely because I use the software in a unique way every day, as outlined below.

1. Avoid changing the zoom level and display area as much as possible
2. Note page-related information in a single line at the bottom left of each page

I'm not sure if this will be helpful, but I'll detail each point below.

#1 - Avoid changing the zoom level and display area as much as possible

• As reported in the previous topic, PDF-XChange Editor moves comments if you accidentally touch the screen. Therefore, users have no choice but to operate the software while minimizing screen touches. This is because there is no way to visually distinguish beforehand whether an object displayed on the screen is a base content or a comment. Touching the screen to pan the display area carries the risk of unintentionally moving comments. It would be ideal if, like Drawboard PDF, settings could disable object movement via touch. However, since the developers have rejected this feature, we must manage through operational workarounds.
  
  Daniel casually says you just need to scroll a bit, but the touch-based operation of slightly shifting the display area carries a significant risk of accidentally moving comment objects—it's a dangerous gamble. In contrast, using Fit Page mode on a large display drastically reduces the need to change zoom levels or display areas, minimizing opportunities for trouble.
  
  Another situation where you don't want to change the zoom level or display area is when sharing your screen during an online meeting. This isn't limited to online meetings; it also applies during presentations. In such situations, other participants take notes as needed on the documents the presenter is annotating on screen. At this point, the area the presenter is currently focusing on and the area the participants are viewing don't necessarily match. If the presenter arbitrarily changes the display area just because tooltips are getting in the way while they're trying to write near the bottom-left corner of the Page View, other participants taking notes will be left in the lurch.
  
  Just as you don't get motion sickness driving a car yourself but often do when someone else is driving, there are situations where what seems fine when you're the only one operating an application becomes problematic when considering the perspective of others. Since not all online meetings or presentations distribute materials as files, presenters are expected to ensure viewers can comfortably read the screen.

#2 - Note page-related information in a single line at the bottom left of each page

• When studying for certifications and solving exercises, I make a habit of noting details like the date solved, time taken, difficulty level, and review date at the bottom of each page, following a consistent format. I use JavaScript to insert this information somewhat like a template, then manually edit parts. The exact spot where this data gets inserted happens to overlap with the position of the Document Dimensions tooltip.
  
  Even in general business documents, code is often added to the same position for management purposes. For example, shipping details frequently include tracking ID information at the very bottom of the page. When selecting a location that minimally disrupts other page content and avoids being obtrusive, everyone ultimately seems to choose the very bottom of the page as the optimal spot. Regardless of the purpose, this area at the very bottom of the page is like a golden zone from a data utilization perspective.
  
  You're interested in how often this area is edited. For instance, when I'm solving exercises for certification studies, I make some kind of edit roughly every 20 minutes. Since I add data for each exercise, if it takes me 10 minutes to solve an exercise and another 10 minutes to check the answer, that averages out to about that time interval.

Final Note

• Among PDF-XChange Editor users, those operating with touchscreens or styluses are extremely rare. And among them, I might be the only one attempting to draw all the way to the bottom-left corner of the Page View. As you say, it's undoubtedly an extremely niche need. Therefore, I understand and agree that this ticket has a low priority.
  
  This issue likely arises precisely because I'm working in a specialized work environment: setting the page aspect ratio to 16:9 (in Single Page mode) or 8:9 (in Two Pages mode), disabling the scrollbar, and ensuring the drawing area of my LCD pen tablet perfectly matches the displayed page size—all without using full-screen mode.

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule.
Please give my best regards to developers.

Best regards,
rakunavi

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

Thank you for the detailed situation description there. I certainly do not do presentations myself, so it is nice to see a clear perspective from that angle. I will add some of these notes to the ticket as well, in case it helps the dev team to decide on the best course of action.

Kind regards,