Pen icon when hovering + glitch when writing

[MedBooster]

I understand the pen cursor icon when you use your mouse, but it there a way to disable it when you're using a stylus? It is a bit distracting and makes it more difficult to write or annotate accurately.


PS:
Have you guys noticed that when you use your stylus and you're resting part of your palm on the side PDF-xchange editor seems that the touch input from the palm interferes with the touch input from the pen (even though I have set finger input to ONLY be used for navigation)
See the attached screenshot; the result is the pencil tool annotation flickers between your hand resting and the stylus input.


I'm not sure if this is a Lenovo Yoga book 9 issue, or PDF-xce, but I thought I would let you know just in case.
(It happens with the Lenovo Precision pen 2, as well as the Lenovo active pen 2/3)

It doesn't happen all the time, so I'll try and send you an E-mail with a video, once I am able to reproduce it.

Edit:
what E-mail address should I send the video to?

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, MedBooster

At this time, we do not have plans to remove the pen icon on our end while using a stylus. It has come up a few times in the past, so I thank you for your support of the idea, and will make note of it. If we see enough support, perhaps the Dev team can do something about this.

Regarding palm input, we do not filter that out ourselves, we simply listen to what windows tells us that type of input is. That is entirely dependent on your hardware's capabilities and your windows touch settings. if your device cannot support, or does not have palm detection enabled, our software will accept a flat palm as touch input because windows will pass that signal. Likewise, if the stylus is close enough to the screen to be used for drawing, that additional input can result in sporadic functionality. You will need to first confirm that your device and windows settings are configured correctly to prevent this

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello MedBooster,

I understand the pen cursor icon when you use your mouse, but it there a way to disable it when you're using a stylus? It is a bit distracting and makes it more difficult to write or annotate accurately.

Have you disabled "Show cursor" in Pen & Windows Ink in Windows Settings? If this setting is disabled, the cursor should not appear.

Here are my settings for your reference.

• figure.png

Have you guys noticed that when you use your stylus and you're resting part of your palm on the side PDF-xchange editor seems that the touch input from the palm interferes with the touch input from the pen (even though I have set finger input to ONLY be used for navigation)
See the attached screenshot; the result is the pencil tool annotation flickers between your hand resting and the stylus input.

I may not necessarily understand your situation, since the attached screenshot is not visible to me, but it is probably due to the fact that the palm rejection is not working perfectly. The palm rejection feature on the device is not always perfect, so it is important to operate the stylus with a two-finger glove that supports palm rejection. If you use the stylus only for a short time, there is not much difference even if you operate it with your bare hands, but if you use it for writing all day long, a glove is a must.

You can find products by searching for "drawing globe palm rejection touch" on amazon or other sites.

• https://www.amazon.com/s?k=drawing+globe+palm+rejection+touch

For example, you can find this product here.

• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XTG7YX1/

Note that regular drawing globes do not have a pad to prevent unintended touch operations.

Also, if you want to use Stylus on Windows 10/11, don't forget to disable the edge swiping function by touch. You can find a lot of information on this if you search the Internet, but the necessary settings, expressed in the format of a .reg file, are as follows. The settings will be reflected by rebooting after setting.

• How to Enable or Disable Screen Edge Swipe in Windows 10
  https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/48507-enable-disable-edge-swipe-screen-windows-10-a.html

To Disable Screen Edge Swipe

Code: Select all

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\EdgeUI]
"AllowEdgeSwipe"=-

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\EdgeUI]
"AllowEdgeSwipe"=dword:00000000

To Enable Screen Edge Swipe

Code: Select all

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\EdgeUI]
"AllowEdgeSwipe"=-

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\EdgeUI]
"AllowEdgeSwipe"=-

I hope this will help.

Best regards,
rakunavi

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

[MedBooster]

Hello, MedBooster

At this time, we do not have plans to remove the pen icon on our end while using a stylus. It has come up a few times in the past, so I thank you for your support of the idea, and will make note of it. If we see enough support, perhaps the Dev team can do something about this.

Regarding palm input, we do not filter that out ourselves, we simply listen to what windows tells us that type of input is. That is entirely dependent on your hardware's capabilities and your windows touch settings. if your device cannot support, or does not have palm detection enabled, our software will accept a flat palm as touch input because windows will pass that signal. Likewise, if the stylus is close enough to the screen to be used for drawing, that additional input can result in sporadic functionality. You will need to first confirm that your device and windows settings are configured correctly to prevent this

Kind regards,

No need for the dev. team to do anything, because as Rakunavi said when you disable the cursor in the Windows settings, the Pencil tool cursor is disabled as well (when hovering)
Thanks for the help

[Dimitar - PDF-XChange]

Ok.

Still will be a good thing if our product can do this for you, though.

[MedBooster]

Ok.

Still will be a good thing if our product can do this for you, though.

Yes actually it would be good if you could turn this on or off in the PDF-xce settings,
I've noticed that even if it is disabled in the Windows settings, it is sometimes appearing at random times, after writing something (as a glitch I think)

image.png

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, MedBooster

I cannot seem to reproduce it randomly appearing while this option is disabled, but that could be device specific, or just that I didn't have enough time with the tablet. The dev team will see this feedback, so hopefully they can get to the bottom of it.
Another possibility is that some stylus's have particular gestures which windows does not classify as a "pen" action, but instead a "finger touch" action, which could cause these to appear even with that option disabled.

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello all,

I have been using a stylus on Lenovo Ideapad C340-15IWL, but about 4 months ago I started using HUION Kamvas Pro 19 LCD drawing tablet.

With the Ideapad C340, if I disabled the "Show Cursor" setting, the cursor would disappear while hovering the stylus, but after switching to the Kamvas Pro 19, no matter how many settings I change, the cursor remains visible while hovering. Of course the cursor disappears when the pen tip touches the screen, but the cursor turns on and off with every stroke, which is very annoying.　A video of the current situation is attached for reference.

• CapturedVideo.zip

I tried every possible setting and software for 4 months to no avail. If you don't run HuionTablet, a dedicated app for tablets, the cursor disappears, but it is impractical because you lose all functions such as pressure control, automatic switching between pen and eraser, and even shortcut keys.

Search the Internet and you will find many users suffering from this problem, not only with HUION LCD drawing tablets. First of all, I can only hope that HUION will update their driver or firmware, but there might be a possibility to hide the cursor by improving the PDF-XChange Editor, so I am making a feature request.

I understand that the number of users who use touch interfaces and pens is small compared to the overall number of users, and on top of that, when it comes to device-dependent issues, I am prepared to accept that the priority for dealing with this issue is extremely low and that there are very few chances.

Thank you for taking the time to read this message.

Best regards,
rakunavi

- PDF-XChange Editor PRO Version: 10.5.2 build 395
- OS Version: Windows 11 Pro / Home 24H2 Build 26100.3194
- PC Model: GMKtec Nucbox M7 Pro with HUION Kamvas Pro 19 / Lenovo IdeaPad C340-15IWL
- HUION Kamvas Pro 19: Firmware Version M220_240115 / Tablet Driver v15.7.6.1357

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

While I cannot make any promises, I have passed this along to the Dev team. However I should note that this, in conjunction with what you mention here about that software, even if we did offer a way to do this, it might not work...
This is some speculation on my part, but if windows itself is being confused by this application, there is a good chance that it is choosing to re-draw the cursor as a "mouse", instead of as a "stylus" during some actions. This would explain the cursor becoming visible in our software, and would also mean that, even if we had our own check, it would almost certainly run into the exact same problem windows is, with the cursor being mislabeled by the app manipulating it.

This is very likely something that will need to be resolved on their end, however I did pass this up to the Dev team for review on this end to see if there is anything we can do.

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

=== UPDATE ===================================================================
My request below was fulfilled by Ver 10.6.0 build 396.
I appreciate all the hard work and efforts of the support and development team.
==============================================================================

Hello Daniel, thank you for contacting developers.

Simply changing the shape of the pencil cursor can greatly help users who suffer from such problems. For example, in Microsoft office applications, the cursor is a very small circle, about 1 mm in diameter in OneNote and about 0.5 mm in Word and Excel. Therefore, even if the "Show cursor" setting is not reflected and the cursor is always visible, it does not matter much. Also, the cursor does not appear and disappear with each stroke, and remains visible, so it is not bothersome in that respect either.

Many users should be accustomed to the behavior of such Microsoft applications, so even if the pencil cursor in PDF-XChange Editor is suddenly changed one day, the transition should be smooth. Since it is currently possible to achieve this with Microsoft applications, it seems technically possible to do the same with PDF-XChange Editor.

For reference, I attach a video capture of writing in OneNote and Word with the Huion Tablet app running and the Windows Ink "Show cursor" setting disabled.

• CapturedVideo.zip

Please give my best regards to the developer.

P.S.
The issue reported in this topic with the Kamvas Pro 19 when the "Logitech (Logitech) LampArray Service" is enabled has been improved by updating the firmware of the tablet. Details have been added to the topic.

Best regards
rakunavi

- PDF-XChange Editor PRO Version: 10.5.2 build 395
- OS Version: Windows 11 Pro / Home 24H2 Build 26100.3476
- PC Model: GMKtec Nucbox M7 Pro with HUION Kamvas Pro 19 / Lenovo IdeaPad C340-15IWL
- HUION Kamvas Pro 19: Firmware Version M220_241220 / Tablet Driver v15.7.6.1357

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

Thank you for this, I cannot promise any changes at this time, but we will see what they find.

RT#7386: Stylus icon w/specific devices and software interactions

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello Daniel, thank you for creating the ticket!

The full list of icons usable is available as the bookmarks in here:
C:\Program Files\Tracker Software\PDF Editor\Resources.dat\VectorIcons\Icons.pdf
(open Ressource.dat with your unzipper of choice)
It is a pdf file with 2044 pages. Each one of the precious icons we can use.

In reference to @TheHipshaker's post, I erased the pencil icon contained in Icons.pdf in Resource.dat and was able to hide the cursor that was displayed when using the pencil tool with the stylus. Specifically, I simply erased the shapes on pages 1899 through 1901 of Icons.pdf by activating the Edit Object mode. The page labels or bookmarks set for these pages are as follows.

• pen_up.l.32 [3, 20]
• pen_up.xl.32 [3, 26]
• pen_up.32 [3, 16]

The pages may change slightly with future builds, but the technique itself should work.

• figure.png

You can always hide the pen cursor regardless of the "Show Cursor" setting in Windows Ink, but it is a very aggressive method and the cursor will not be visible, even when using the pencil tool with anything other than a stylus. So, instead of erasing everything, you can draw a very small circle as the base content, as in OneNote, without sacrificing usability when using a mouse.

• figure2.png

• Icons_1899_1900_1901.pdf

You will have to re-edit Resource.dat every time you update PDF-XChange Editor. However, this is a negligible disadvantage compared to the overwhelming advantage of being able to hide the annoying pen cursor.

For reference, the following respective videos show the cursor before and after the change.

• Animation1.gif
  
  
  Animation2.gif

I would like to take this opportunity to thank @TheHipshaker. Of course, if future updates to the PDF-XChange Editor itself make it possible to hide or make the cursor less noticeable, I would certainly be very pleased and very impressed with that.

Best regards,
rakunavi

- PDF-XChange Editor PRO Version: 10.5.2 build 395
- OS Version: Windows 11 Pro / Home 24H2 Build 26100.3476
- PC Model: GMKtec Nucbox M7 Pro with HUION Kamvas Pro 19
- HUION Kamvas Pro 19: Firmware Version M220_241220 / Tablet Driver v15.7.6.1357

[Daniel - PDF-XChange]

Hello, rakunavi

I am glad to hear you have found a viable method to substitute a feature you have been looking for. I should warn that meddling too much with the files in these locations can lead to errors in the software, so I would suggest caution in making such changes, and if any errors are experienced, reinstalling the software fresh, to confirm if the issue remains, will be recommended if any tampering of our core application resources has occurred.

I should also note that our resources file is updated alongside most new releases, and so it is very likely that every update will overwrite this file, and require you to make the changes again.
Holding onto your modified copy and replacing the new one is not advisable since it would mean you are effectively rolling back only part of the software.

Kind regards,

[rakunavi]

Hello Daniel, thank you for your sincere advice.

I am very aware of the risks. However, I faintly hope that one day the developers will understand that there are users who have no choice but to resort to this method, even if it is risky and troublesome, and will come up with some way to save them. The day when they will understand may never come, but until then, I will persevere in this method.

Best regards,
rakunavi

[Stefan - PDF-XChange]